Ken Parks' blames U.S. for terrorist attacks?

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Well, Churchill aka "Angry White Man" I responded with a lenghy reply but apparently it was deleted.

Fancy that!!

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Perhaps it's the hot weather, or maybe male pms......I have no idea

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Chill out Churchill, old man...

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Churchill mentions the holy cites of Islam. I wonder if he knows how the cities and the regions got to be Moslem in the first place. They are each and every one a result of the common thread of Islam, and all were taken by force and forced to become Moslem by threat of death. That's not radical Islam, it's SOP.

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Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans

Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998

Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:

First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.

If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.

The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.

So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.

Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.

The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.

All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."

On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."

This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"

We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.

Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."

Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."

Almighty God also says "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."

So much for the theory of "envy"

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Quote:

After several years of war, with 10,000 followers Mohammed captured Mecca, and soon the new creed had won all Arabia. Then the faithful began to force their faith upon all "unbelievers." His successors, or Caliphs, conquered and converted a great empire, which formed a crescent, with one horn touching the Black Sea and the other Gibraltar (itself a Moorish name): Persia was conquered; Jerusalem (637) and Alexandria (641) and Carthage (698) all fell before them. They even conquered Spain from the Goths (by 711), and made several raids over the Pyrenees into the heart of France.

Then Europe was for the time saved, for in the west they were overthrown at the great battle of Tours (732) by Charles "the Hammer," one of the successors of Clovis; in the east they had besieged, but failed to take, Constantinople (717).

http://www.sacklunch.net/history/27.html

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Mohammed (570–632 A.D.) was the most extraordinary individual to live since Jesus. He was born in Mecca, and was visited by dreams and visions in his childhood that led him to believe he was the prophet of a new religion.

Converts came slowly at first. But after a time, multitudes flocked and followed him to the city of Medina. There he set up a new religion, organized a powerful army, returned to Mecca, and conquered it. From that crude settlement--ever since a holy city to his devotees--Mohammed organized the Arabic tribes into an army of warriors, planned the overthrow of Christendom, foretold the Islamic conversion of the world and, on his deathbed in 632 A.D., bequeathed to the world the Koran, the sacred book of Islam.

Mohammed’s successors were called Caliphs. Their motto was “Islam, tribute, or the sword.” Omar, the second Caliph, conquered Jerusalem in 637. Where Solomon’s Temple once stood, Moslems built a huge mosque, and on the sites where St. Peter preached the gospel of Jesus, Bedouins proclaimed “There is but one God, Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.”

Moslem armies conquered Palestine, Syria, Egypt, and North Africa in 707. In 711, they conquered southern Spain and set up their European capital in Cordova. In 732, they attacked France, only to be defeated. Looking east to Rome, the Moslem armies conquered Asia Minor in 1071 and built a stronghold in Nicaea, 100 miles from Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Christian Empire. Throughout the churches of Europe, Christians prayed to be “delivered from the Turk.”

http://srjarchives.tripod.com/1998-01/Darnell.htm

Just some brief and condensed items re the SOP practice of the Moslems during and after Mohammed's terroristic career.

Tell me all this is incorrect, Ken. In fact, in one of your posts you wrote a more condensed version of the same stuff. How can you write it as so, then turn around and say that others are wrong, when your view seems to be similar?

PS: As a York Rite Mason, Knight Templar, I do believe I have a fair handle on the history of Islam and the forceful spread of same in the middle east.

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Christianty and Iran

According to the Book of Acts of the Apostles, there were Parthians and Medes present in Jeruslem when Christianity started. By the 2nd century, Christianity was well-established in Iran. About 20 bishoprics were established about the 3rd century, and the Church in Iran even sent missionaries of its own to distant countries of the Far East, such as China.

Professor Girshman has discovered the ruins of an ancient monastery belonging to the 2nd and 3rd centuries, on Kharg Islands, revealing the fact of the existence of Christians in that area.

The relationship between Christianity and Iran throughout its history is a fascinating subject, and is beyond the scope of this talk. It is sufficient to say that there is hardly any period in the long history of Iran when one can say Christianity was non-existent at that time. Of course, Persian poets got most of their information about Christianity from the Quran and Muslim sources, but the existence of Christians in Iran was also influential in this way.

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Christianity and Egypt

The word Copt is derived from the Greek word Aigyptos, which was, in turn, derived from "Hikaptah", one of the names for Memphis, the first capital of Ancient Egypt. The modern use of the term "Coptic" describes Egyptian Christians, as well as the last stage of the ancient Egyptian language script. Also, it describes the distinctive art and architecture that developed as an early expression of the new faith.

The Coptic Church is based on the teachings of Saint Mark who brought Christianity to Egypt during the reign of the Roman emperor Nero in the first century, a dozen of years after the Lord's ascension. He was one of the four evangelists and the one who wrote the oldest canonical gospel. Christianity spread throughout Egypt within half a century of Saint Mark's arrival in Alexandria as is clear from the New Testament writings found in Bahnasa, in Middle Egypt, which date around the year 200 A.D., and a fragment of the Gospel of Saint John, written using the Coptic language, which was found in Upper Egypt and can be dated to the first half of the second century. The Coptic Church, which is now more than nineteen centuries old, was the subject of many prophecies in the Old Testament. Isaiah the prophet, in Chapter 19, Verse 19 says "In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD at its border."

Although fully integrated into the body of the modern Egyptian nation, the Copts have survived as a strong religious entity who pride themselves on their contribution to the Christian world. The Coptic church regards itself as a strong defendant of Christian faith. The Nicene Creed, which is recited in all churches throughout the world, has been authored by one of its favorite sons, Saint Athanasius, the Pope of Alexandria for 46 years, from 327 A.D. to 373 A.D. This status is well deserved, afterall, Egypt was the refuge that the Holy Family sought in its flight from Judea: "When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son" [Mathew 2:12-23].

The contributions of the Coptic Church to Christendom are many. From the beginning, it played a central role in Christian theology---and especially to protect it from the Gnostics heresies. The Coptic Church produced thousands of texts, biblical and theological studies which are important resources for archeology. The Holy Bible was translated to the Coptic language in the second century. Hundreds of scribes used to write copies of the Bible and other liturgical and theological books. Now libraries, museums and universities throughout the world possess hundreds and thousands of Coptic manuscripts

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Christianity and Jordan

'Oldest Church' Discovered in Jordan

North Carolina State University archaeologist Thomas Parker believes he has uncovered remains of what may be the oldest church in the world, dating from the late third century, in the Jordanian port city of Aqaba.

Although other buildings used for Christian gatherings during the first century and a half following Jesus' ministry have been unearthed, Parker maintains these are the remains of "the earliest known building specifically designed as a church."

The church apparently crumbled during an earthquake in 363 and then was buried by desert sand until Parker's excavation team uncovered it. "It may offer valuable clues about early church architecture unavailable from many Near Eastern churches continuously remodeled since that period," Parker told CT.

German archaeologists working in Umm Qais, in northern Jordan, believe they have found the remains of another church, this one built to mark the miracle of the Gadarene swine. It is a five-aisled basilica similar in design to a dozen other churches, such as the Church of the Nativity and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, which mark significant events in the life of Christ. The church was built over the remains of a first-century tomb.

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Christianity and Iraq and Turkey

Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq) emerged on the New Testament scene during Pentecost in Acts 2:9 when Luke noted the presence of Parthians from Mesopotamia.

Soon the Gospel spread to Mesopotamia from Edessa, known today as Urfa, which is located in southeastern Turkey. Edessa was the Assyrian region's major trading center and became one of the early church's most successful missionary-sending cities. This Assyrian Church based in Edessa found great evangelistic success among the Mesopotamian Jews, who shared the Syriac language. The Assyrian (also known as Nestorian) church in Iraq still proudly speaks this close relative of Jesus' own Aramaic mother tongue.

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Christianity and Saudi Arabia, Yeman, Omar and Bahrain

Inhabiting the Arabian Peninsula in Muhammad's time were Christians, Jews, and Hanifs, believers in an indigenous form of monotheism who are mentioned in the Quran. Medina had a substantial Jewish population, and villages of Jews dotted the Medina oases. Clusters of Christian monasteries were located in the northern Hijaz, and Christians were known to have visited seventh-century Mecca. Some Arabic-speaking tribal people were Christian, including some from the Najdi interior and the well-known Ghassanids and Lakhmids on the Arabian borderlands with Constantinople. Najran, a city in the southwest of present-day Saudi Arabia, had a mixed population of Jews, Christians, and pagans, and had been ruled by a Jewish king only fifty years before Muhammad's birth. In sixth-century Najran, Christianity was well established and had a clerical hierarchy of nuns, priests, bishops, and lay clergy. Furthermore, there were Christian communities along the gulf, especially in Bahrain, Oman, and Aden (in present-day Yemen).

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Christianity and Western North Africa

Christianity came to Western North Africa from Rome and grew more rapidly in this province of the Roman Empire than in any other western province. It was firmly established in Carthage and other Tunisian towns by the third century. Christianity in Western North Africa was predominantly urban, since its evangelists were Latin speakers who for various reasons had come to North Africa from Rome or other parts of the Roman empire, though the church also grew rapidly in the frontier regions of Numidia where there were fewer Romans and more people of Phonecian ancestry.

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Christianity and Sub-Saharan Africa

The history of Christianity in Africa south of the Sahara begins in the fifteenth century, with the arrival of the first missionaries carrying the gospel from Europe. The story of these missionaries is equally Catholic and Protestant, is equally the story of Liberal Christians and Evangelicals, is equally the story of women missionaries and men; but the story of the spread of Christianity in Africa during the last five centuries is far more the story of African Christians spreading the gospel in Africa than it is the story of European or American Christians spreading the gospel in Africa.

Unfortunately African Christians rarely recorded their stories, while European and American missionaries regularly sent letters to their relatives, mission boards and financial supporters in Europe and America. As a result we know far more about European and American missionaries than we do about the African catechists and evangelists whose role in bring Christianity all over Africa is far more significant.

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Christianity and North Africa

Under the beating sun, two slaves of Carthage pulled their master and mistress in a cart. As they drew abreast of some rocks, they turned their heads with dull curiosity, for they heard a noise. Armed men leaped out, yelling. While some pulled the owners out of the cart, others released the slaves from their harnesses. Within moments the social world was turned upside down. Two uncertain slaves were seated in the cart and the frightened owners were harnessed to the cart shafts. "Pull," shouted the men, brandishing swords and spears.

Diocletian. His persecution of Christians set off Donatist split.
This was not an isolated incident. The turmoil in North Africa was the result of an ugly instance of spiritual pride. It began in 303 with one of the most horrific persecutions ever unleashed against the church. Its buildings were demolished, Christians tortured, clergymen arrested, and scriptures confiscated. The instigator of this onslaught was Galerius, the co-emperor of the Roman Empire, who insisted that Christians were disloyal. Diocletian agreed to crush them.

During the persecutions, many Christians apostatized, offering sacrifices to Roman gods, and some cooperated with pagan authorities as far as their consciences allowed. Here and there, bishops canceled public worship, intending to lie low until the trouble passed over. Some gave up scriptures, considering lives worth more than manuscripts. Others gave up heretical books, pretending they were scriptures. But staunch Christians refused to cooperate at all with the authorities, and were tortured or killed.

Galerius finally called a halt to the terror and asked for Christian prayers. By then he was dying, eaten alive by worms. His successor renewed the oppression, but the next emperors, Constantine and Licinius agreed on a policy of religious toleration.

At once the church quarreled over what should be called betrayal of Christ and who should be allowed back into the church. In North Africa, hard-liners said that any bishop who had forfeited scriptures under persecution, had forfeited his holy office and its powers.

When the church as a whole refused to apply this stringent rule to offenders, the hard-liners set up rival bishops. In Carthage, the Catholic bishop was Caecilian and his rival was Marjorinus, soon succeeded by Donatus. Donatus considered Caecilian an illegal bishop, because he had supposedly gone so far as to picket against martyrs held in prison and because one of the bishops who consecrated Caecilian was considered a traitor.

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Christianity and Syria

(Acts 11:26; The disciples [who were Jews] were called Christians first at Antioch.) Acts 13:1-4 vs. 1...Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrach, and Saul. Prophets in the Christian Church

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Christianity and Lebanan

Lebanon was the biblical 'land of milk and honey', and conquerors have always been attracted to its abundant natural resources, the safe anchorages on the coastline and the defensive possibilities of the high mountains. This has turned the country's history into a who's who of interlopers, pillagers and big-noters.

As the Roman empire crumbled, Christianity gained momentum and Lebanon became part of the eastern Byzantine Empire in the 4th century AD, with its capital at Constantinople (modern Istanbul). The imposition of orthodox Christianity didn't sit well, and when Muslims brought the word of Allah from the south, they faced little resistance in Lebanon.

The Umayyuds, the first great Muslim dynasty, held sway in Lebanon for about a century, but faced opposition from indigenous Jews and Christians, especially the Syrian Maronite sect who took refuge around Mount Lebanon.

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London Bombings

Consider the comments by the head of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies in London. Hani Al-Siba'i, was asked by Al-Jazeera, the Arab news channel, about the London terrorist attack that killed 54 and left 700-plus injured – all civilians.

He said anyone could have done it, even a "Western country hostile to Britain." He also said the culprit could have been "Zionist Americans."

Of course, blame the Americans, then blame the Jews.

But, he said, if al-Qaida did it, it was a "great victory" because "it rubbed the noses of the world's eight most powerful countries in the mud."

What about targeting civilians? According to Al-Siba'i, under Islamic law, there's no such thing as a civilian; no distinction between military and civilians. They're all fair game. As for where non-Muslims stand in relation Islamic belief: The world is divided into two houses – Islam and everything else, which is considered the House of War.

Prime Minister Tony Blair immediately spoke strongly against the attack. He said it was probably done by "Islamist extremist terrorists" and promised to seek new anti-terror laws and to stop radical clerics from inciting and preaching hate.

But then, political correctness set in and the emphasis switched to concern for Muslims' feelings, and he urged looking into the root causes of terrorism.

The BBC fell into lock step and eliminated the word "terrorism" from its news reports. The network's reason is that the T-word is a "barrier ... to understanding."

Some consider such terror attacks "random," carried out by poor, disenfranchised, angry and illiterate people. Those people are wrong.

The London suspects are all well-to-do and educated. In fact, the 9-11 terrorists were the same, as are most of the terror perpetrators. Refusing to see this is a fatal error.

The London explosives appear to have been military and composed of chemicals not legally available in England. Either they were smuggled in, ready to use, or put together by people with the money and the know-how.

This was the work of people with an intent to kill and maim, to hurt a certain group and to have it part of the overall war against the West, Christians and Jews.

More to the point is the trial in Amsterdam of the Dutch-Moroccan national accused of murdering Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh on the morning of Nov. 2, 2004, as he rode his bike to work in Amsterdam.

Twenty-seven-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri told the court: "I take complete responsibility for my actions. I acted purely in the name of my religion." He said he followed "the law that instructs me to chop off the head of everyone who insults Allah or the prophet."

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More meaningless government BS , when something becomes unpopular just change the name, the politicians must think they are dealing with idiots. Maybe they are, the people keep voting the same groups of players back in.

Washington recasts terror war as 'struggle'

The Bush administration is retooling its slogan for the fight against Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, pushing the idea that the long-term struggle is as much an ideological battle as a military mission, according to senior administration and military officials.

In recent speeches and news conferences, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the country's top military officer have spoken of "a global struggle against violent extremism" rather than "the global war on terror," which had been the catchphrase of choice.

Administration officials say the earlier phrase may have outlived its usefulness, because it focused attention solely, and incorrectly, on the military campaign. .....

Rumsfeld spoke in the new terms on Friday when he addressed an audience in Annapolis, Maryland, for the retirement ceremony of Admiral Vern Clark as chief of naval operations. Rumsfeld described America's efforts as it "wages the global struggle against the enemies of freedom, the enemies of civilization."

The shifting language is one of the most public changes in the administration's strategy to battle Al Qaeda and its affiliates, and it tracks closely with Bush's recent speeches emphasizing freedom, democracy and the worldwide clash of ideas. .....

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Whoopee, thousands of lives, and billions of dollars to put an Islamic controlled government in power. I think we would have been better off if we had let Sadam in control.

BAGHDAD - Framers of Iraq's constitution will designate Islam as the main source of legislation - a departure from the model set down by U.S. authorities during the occupation - according to a draft published yesterday.

The draft states no law will be approved that contradicts "the rules of Islam" - a requirement that could affect women's rights and set Iraq on a course far different from the one envisioned when U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003 to topple Saddam Hussein.

"Islam is the official religion of the state and is the main source of legislation," reads the draft published in the government newspaper Al-Sabah. "No law that contradicts with its rules can be promulgated."..........

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What kind of "democracy" is that???

Wasn't Saddam's secular goverment the kind we wanted???

Tons of radioactive waste litters the country and almost 2000 American GI have died and several thousands have been wounded and maimed - for what???

Did they all die and suffer in vain??? All over yellow cake lies

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