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| Envy of our position, our success, and
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That's the same exact CRAPOLA
that Tony Snow mentioned while filling in for Rush Limbauch...
and you and countless Republicans have bought into this
ridiculous notion.
The fanatical Muslims are at war with us because of religious
beliefs... GEEESH!!!! They have no envy for our wealth, our
success (whatever that is) nor our freedoms. They perceive us as
invaders to their holy land. And they will keep on attacking us
as long as we remain in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other areas that
they consider holy lands.
You really need to get your head out of the Republican sand trap
and start investigating how the U.S. is perceived around the
world... Maybe turning off the Fox News Channel and start
reading some foreign newspapers will do the trick.
I have taken studies on the Muslim faith, and you are so far off
the truth, it makes me cry to think that Americans have bought
into the Republican lies and the presentations of Fox News
Channel. Fair and balanced? Yeah ... right!!!

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Well, Churchill aka "Angry White Man" I
responded with a lenghy reply but apparently it was deleted.
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| Envy of our position, our
success, and our freedoms. |
That's the same exact
CRAPOLA that Tony Snow mentioned while filling in
for Rush Limbauch... and you and countless Republicans
have bought into this ridiculous notion.
The fanatical Muslims are at war with us because of
religious beliefs... GEEESH!!!! They have no envy for
our wealth, our sucess (whatever that is) nor our
freedoms. They perceive us as invaders to their holy
land. And they will keep on attacking us as long as we
remain in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other areas that they
consider holy lands.
You really need to get your head out of the Republican
sand trap and start investigating how the U.S. is
perceived around the world... Maybe turning off the Fox
News Channel and start reading some foreign newspapers
will do the trick.
I have taken studies on the Muslim faith, and you are so
far off the truth, it makes me cry to think that
Americans have bought into the Republican lies and the
presentations of Fox News Channel. Fair and balanced?
Yeah ... right!!!
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Woot woot and whooptie doo. You're way off base, out of line,
and it appears to me, violating your own rules. Bleep ** that.
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| Envy of our position, our
success, and our freedoms. |
That's the same exact
CRAPOLA
They perceive us as invaders to their holy land. And
they will keep on attacking us as long as we remain in
Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other areas that they consider
holy lands.
I have taken studies on the Muslim faith, and you are so
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What are you talking about
Churchill
Islam was born of the sword and has spread by the sword. The
eternal quest of the Muslims is World Conquest and they have
been trying to attain it for centuries. If your theory was
correct why would they be spreading like vermin around the
world.
So where were you studying - at the Ali Baba School of Ethics or
the Ali Baba Middle Eastern Restaurant

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| Envy of our position, our
success, and our freedoms. |
The fanatical Muslims are at war with us because of
religious beliefs... GEEESH!!!! They have no envy for
our wealth, our success (whatever that is) nor our
freedoms. They perceive us as invaders to their holy
land. And they will keep on attacking us as long as we
remain in Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other areas that they
consider holy lands.
You really need to get your head out of the Republican
sand trap and start investigating how the U.S. is
perceived around the world... Maybe turning off the Fox
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For one thing what they consider to be holy lands were for the
most part Christian at one time.
Historian Bernard Lewis notes:
For almost a thousand years ... Europe was under constant
threat. In the early centuries it was a double threat—not only
of invasion and conquest, but also of conversion and
assimilation. All but the easternmost provinces of the Islamic
realm had been taken from Christian rulers, and the vast
majority of the first Muslims west of Iran and Arabia were
converts from Christianity. North Africa, Egypt, Syria, even
Persian-ruled Iraq, had been Christian countries, in which
Christianity was older and more deeply rooted than in most of
Europe. Their loss was sorely felt and heightened the fear that
a similar fate was in store for Europe
The threat to Europe was finally stopped in 1683 at Vienna, and
the Muslims military threat diminished after that. Non -Muslim
were given three choices, to convert, to be a slave or to die.
Their goal is world domination and our leaving the middle east
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Well, Churchill aka "Angry White Man"
I responded with a lenghy reply but apparently it was
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Perhaps it's the hot weather, or maybe male pms......I have no
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They were never "Christian at one time"... someone needs to read
up on Christian history. The areas of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and
Iran were never heavily evangilized and have always been
predominantly Muslim from the time Mohammad and his vehicle of
death to cause tribes to follow in his understanding of Allah.
The Quran is very ambigious and has several means of
interpretation. Fanatical/militant extremist Muslims want to see
a world conquered through the sword and their Allah is
considered the only true god.
And being that someone purported to made a long posting in reply
and discovered that it was somehow deleted seems to be an
unfounded accusation... because I never deleted any long
posting. I have been gone from my workstation from 1:30 PM till
1:30 AM, nearly 12 hours... May I suggest that the someone might
have fat-fingered their submittal and it never ended up being
posted in the first place. Who knows!
I still stand by my statement concerning the reasons why we were
attacked on 9/11. It had absolutely nothing to do with envy for
our wealth, success, nor our freedom. Osama Bin Laden has spoken
out several times against the U.S. and other western nations
involved in Saudi Arabia causing it, through his interpretation
of the Quran, to be performing acts of the infidels and
corrupting their true religion in their holy land. "Fancy that."
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The threat to Europe was finally
stopped in 1683 at Vienna, and the Muslims military
threat diminished after that. Non -Muslim were given
three choices, to convert, to be a slave or to die.
Their goal is world domination and our leaving the
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Most Muslims do not believe in a "world domination" of the world
as you purport. Only the militant fanatical Muslims, e.g., Osama
Bin Laden, believe in attacking those who have invaded their
holy lands.
There are so-called Christian groups that want to see a
particular state physically (militarily) succeed from the union
to create their own theo-fascist gov't. Does that mean all
Christians believe in this? By all means, NO!
Can we classify all Muslims want this so-called "world
domination" as the Rebulican party would have us believe... by
all means, NO!
Has Argentina been attacked by these militant and fanatiical
Muslims? What about Vietnam? What about Switzerland? What about
New Zealand? It's a very poor argument to say that Muslims want
to seek out this so-called "world domination" as a whole. The
fanatical Muslims are attacking those nations that are occupying
their holy land.
I say we pull out and let them kill themselves, which they have
been doing for centuries anyway. The only reason why we are in
Iraq and Saudi Arabia is for the security of oil. We have our
own natural resources and can easily survive without their
black-gold.
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Chill out Churchill, old man...
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And being that someone purported to
made a long posting in reply and discovered that it was
somehow deleted seems to be an unfounded accusation...
because I never deleted any long posting. ...
May I suggest that the someone might have fat-fingered
their submittal and it never ended up being posted in
the first place. Who knows! Rolling Eyes
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You have the wrong party. Amilus didn't even say anything about
a long post
Judy
Inquiring minds want to know
Churchill thinks you have FAT FINGERS
Do you have "fat-fingers"???

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didn't even say anything about a long post |
Did I refer to "amilus" in that paragraph? Reading comprehension
seems to have taken a back seat due to the heat wave.
Regardless of the unfounded accusations, I could not have
physically been able to delete this so-called "lenghy
{sic} reply"
because I was in Helen GA for the most part of the day and did
not get back home till 1:30 AM. Perhaps there are militant
extremist elves on the user side of their keyboard.
Again, the inane and ridiculous comment,
"Envy of our position, our
success, and our freedoms" is soooo far from the truth.
When Tony Snow came up with the same stupid statement shortly
after 9/11, I almost broke out LOL. What a dolt! This proves
that some Americans don't have the foggiest idea as to what the
terrorist Muslims are seeking, what their goals are, and how
they conclude the use of violence as a means to accomplish their
goals.
Does anyone want to stay on the subject and argue for/against
this so-called "Envy"
theory?
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Amilus didn't even say anything about a long
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Did I refer to "amilus" in that paragraph? Reading
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Look Churchill -
Just because you are miffed about something don't take it out on
everybody else.
And what a mishmash of nasty crap
Stop mixing up your oranges and apples - you should not have
lumped your replies together that way
As Harry Truman said: "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
the kitchen."
And I saw your post before you edited

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Judy
Inquiring minds want to know
Churchill thinks you have FAT FINGERS
Do you have "fat-fingers"???
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Geesh, I never noticed that nor has anyone ever commented on my
plump digets.
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paragraph? Reading comprehension seems to have taken a
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Is that right, Queenie? Is it too hot for you to understand
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Christian at one time. |
They were never "Christian at one time"... someone needs
to read up on Christian history. The areas of Saudi
Arabia, Iraq, and Iran were never heavily evangilized
and have always been predominantly Muslim from the time
Mohammad and his vehicle of death to cause tribes to
follow in his understanding of Allah.
. Fanatical/militant extremist Muslims want to see a
world conquered through the sword and their Allah is
considered the only true god. |
I had at one time posted a picture of St Matthew's Syrian
Orthodox Monastery in Iraq that was founded in the fourth
century AD. Funny thing is I can not find any pictures or
references to Mosque that predate it. Could you please post a
link or pic , thank you .
You cannot trust these so called historians any more, they seem
to think that area of the world was made up of Jews, Christians
and Pagans, I guess they must have egg on their faces. hahaha
You state the Koran is very ambitious and has several means of
interpretation, this is not true the Quo ran is the exact word
of God and therefore not open to discussion. Spin it as you like
Islam is still a religion born of blood and spread by blood
through out it's history.
And whether you can see it or not they want the world under the
thumb of Islam.
I think this current good Muslim and bad Muslim talk will be our
ruination as people who feel like you that there are good,
rational peace loving Muslims are going to be the ones who
destroy us from within.
One of the major tenets of the
Islamic faith is that the Koran was written by God through Mo
hammed and is therefore without error and infallible. Heretics
who suggest that the Koran may not be wholly true or erroneous
are subject to all sorts of punishment, persecution and
prosecution. There is no Muslim tradition of religious freedom
or "live and let live," unless you count the brief time that
Muslims were a minority people in an unfriendly country
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| Churchill wrote: |
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consider to be holy lands were for the most part
Christian at one time. |
The areas of Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran were never
heavily evangilized and have always been predominantly
Muslim from the time Mohammad and his vehicle of death
to cause tribes to follow in his understanding of Allah.
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With regards "to cause tribes to follow his undestanding of
Allah" I will post this little piece I found.
The fascist, warlike nature of Islam is embodied in the concept
of holy war, or jihad. In Islam, humanity is divided into two
groups, the umma (Muslims) and the Harbi (non-Muslims). The umma
reside in the Dar al-Islam (the Land of Islam) and the Harbi
live in the Dar al-Harb (the Land of Warfare). All acts of war
are permitted in the Dar al-Harb. The ultimate goal is to
stretch the boundaries of the Dar al-Islam over the entire
globe.
Once a city of the Harbi has been overtaken and conquered, the
leaders can do what they like with the captured enemy. Pillage
was encouraged, as was the rape and murder of all inhabitants,
including women and children. Captives were also enslaved or
sold at auction.
Bomb-making Islamic terrorists are a modern phenomenon, but they
are carrying out a grand tradition of holy slaughter. History is
overflowing with detailed accounts of atrocities committed in
the name of Allah. During the Muslim invasion of Syria in 634,
four thousand peasants were massacred. In Mesopotamia between
635 and 642, monasteries were ransacked and the monks slain. In
Elam and Susa civilians were executed. In Egypt, in the towns of
Behnesa, Fayum, Nikiu and Aboit, the Muslim solders murdered
whoever they could find, including the elderly, women, and
children. Tripoli was attacked and pillaged in 643. Carthage was
destroyed and its people slain.
Around the eleventh century, Muslims massacred the people of
India and justified it by citing the passages from the Koran
about slaying idolaters. The invaders destroyed countless
temples and works of art. In Somnath, 50,000 Hindus were slain.
A Muslim general killed thousands of peaceful Buddhists in 1193,
declaring that as idolaters they had no right to live. He also
took care to destroy their library. In the 14th century, Firuz
Shah, tyrannical Muslim ruler of northern India, attacked a
village where a Hindu religious fair was being held and ordered
all participants to be put to death.
In addition to these hideous crimes inspired by Koranic verses,
there were also massive forced conversions, abductions and
enslavement of non-Muslim people. Every year, for about 600
years, the Nubian kingdom was forced to send a tribute of slaves
to the Muslim rulers in Cairo. In 781, 7000 Greeks were enslaved
after a battle at Ephesus. At the capture of Thessalonica in
903, 22,000 Christians were sold into Muslim slavery. In 1064, a
Muslim general destroyed Georgia and Armenia and enslaved the
few inhabitants he did not slaughter. In Muslim-conquered
territories of Southern Europe, one-fifth of all Christian
children were taken from their parents and impressed into
infantry duty for Muslim armies of conquest. For three hundred
years, starting around 1350, as many as a thousand children a
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| Queenie wrote: |
| You have the wrong party.
Amilus didn't even say anything about a long
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Did I refer to "amilus" in that paragraph? Reading
comprehension seems to have taken a back seat due to the
heat wave.
Regardless of the unfounded accusations, I could not
have physically been able to delete this so-called "lenghy
{sic} reply"
because I was in Helen GA for the most part of the day
and did not get back home till 1:30 AM. Perhaps there
are militant extremist elves on the user side of their
keyboard.
Again, the inane and ridiculous comment,
"Envy of our position,
our success, and our freedoms" is soooo far from
the truth. When Tony Snow came up with the same stupid
statement shortly after 9/11, I almost broke out LOL.
What a dolt! This proves that some Americans don't have
the foggiest idea as to what the terrorist Muslims are
seeking, what their goals are, and how they conclude the
use of violence as a means to accomplish their goals.
Does anyone want to stay on the subject and argue
for/against this so-called "Envy"
theory? |
No. None of us are smart or educated enough to read and write
posts and understand their content.
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holy cites of Islam. I wonder if he knows how the cities and the
regions got to be Moslem in the first place. They are each and
every one a result of the common thread of Islam, and all were
taken by force and forced to become Moslem by threat of death.
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St Matthew's Syrian Orthodox Monastery in Iraq that was
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Sure… one Monastery does not make the entire region of Iraq,
Saudi Arabia, and Iran to be Christian. In comparison to the
rate of growth in parts of the world that were introduced to
Christianity by the 4th century, the areas of Iraq, Saudi
Arabia, and Iran were not at all Christian. The people of those
regions were still tribal and pagans.
In the year 630, Mohammad entered Mecca and destroyed every idol
in the Kaaba, the main temple, except the Black Stone, a sacred
meteorite enshrined there. Christianity never took hold in the
subscribed areas, but Islam flourished. I am quite aware of how
Islam started and the contents of the Quran.
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| You state the Koran is very ambitious
and has several means of interpretation... |
I never said the Quran is “ambitious.” Please read my posting
again; it says “ambiguous.”
This means that the Quran is open to more than one
interpretation. And yes, there are Sura and/or Ayat to show both
peace and war, which is the same as versus in the Christian
Bible.
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| Spin it as you like Islam is still a
religion born of blood and spread by blood through out
it's history. |
The spin is also this: The trail of blood can be traced in the
history of Christianity too.
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I think this current good Muslim and
bad Muslim talk will be our ruination as people who feel
like you that there are good, rational peace loving
Muslims are going to be the ones who destroy us from
within.
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I think your opinion of “this current good Muslim and bad Muslim
talk” is flawed. The Quran promotes both peace and justice,
based upon their faith. Many of the Muslim clerics consider the
acts of the militant extremist Muslims, e.g., Osama Bin Ladin
and Al Quada to be non-Islamic. It's the militant extremist that
wish to wreck havoc and destroy.
The same can be considered for the militant extremists who think
of themselves as being Christian and yet promote the doctrine of
killing abortion doctors as being a “righteous act.” Do a Google
search on Paul Hill, the so-called Christian who killed an
abortion doctor and you will discover that he was considered a
Reverend. Many orthodox ministers, pastors and leaders of Church
organizations consider Paul Hill to be a non-Christian.
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Islam. I wonder if he knows how the cities and the
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each and every one a result of the common thread of
Islam, and all were taken by force and forced to become
Moslem by threat of death. That's not radical Islam,
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Bart, I think you can use a good dose of reading the history of
Mohammad.
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I guess you are speaking for yourself. Since 9/11, I have
researched and studied the ways and means of our terroist
enemies, namely Al Quada... and they have no such "envy" as Judy
Johnson would have us believe. This is a war against the U.S.
and other infidle countries; it is a war based upon their
misguided interpretation of the Quran and the Fatwah.
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Text of
Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans
Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998
Statement signed by Sheikh
Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the
Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of
the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the
Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the
Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
Praise be to God, who revealed the
Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His
Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and
slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer
them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and
peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I
have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no
one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the
shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on
those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has
never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled
it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the crusader
armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches
and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time
when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a
plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack
of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events,
and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.
No one argues today about three facts that are known to
everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:
First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying
the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian
Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers,
humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning
its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to
fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation,
all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.
The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression
against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post,
even though all its rulers are against their territories being
used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the
great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the
crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those
killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the
Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific
massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted
blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation
and devastation.
So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and
to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious
and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and
divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of
Muslims there.
The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the
strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment
all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt,
and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and
weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of
the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.
All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear
declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema
have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the
jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim
countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al-
Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his
interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where
he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending
sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is
more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is
attacking religion and life."
On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the
following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and
military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it
in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to
liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip,
and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of
Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in
accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans
all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them
until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail
justice and faith in God."
This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should
ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak,
are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is
'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are
oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"
We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in
God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill
the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they
find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and
soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the
devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who
are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God
and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you
life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and
that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."
Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter
with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of
God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of
this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this
life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He
will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your
place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath
power over all things."
Almighty God also says "So lose
no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye
are true in faith."
So much for the theory of "envy"
Fancy that!
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cites of Islam. I wonder if he knows how the
cities and the regions got to be Moslem in the
first place. They are each and every one a
result of the common thread of Islam, and all
were taken by force and forced to become Moslem
by threat of death. That's not radical Islam,
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Bart, I think you can use a good dose of reading the
history of Mohammad. |
Tell me what's incorrect in my post. |
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Bart Katz

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| No. None of us are smart or
educated enough to read and write posts and
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| No. None of us are smart or
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I guess you are speaking for yourself. Since 9/11, I
have researched and studied the ways and means of our
terroist enemies, namely Al Quada... and they have no
such "envy" as Judy Johnson would have us believe. This
is a war against the U.S. and other infidle countries;
it is a war based upon their misguided interpretation of
the Quran and the Fatwah. |
I guess I forgot the sarcasm alert. You have no call to go
around here flaming and insulting people, just because you own
the damn board. How about you lighten up a little, dude? None of
this is all black or all white. If you have any sense at all,
you might be able to allow some room for other's opinions and
views here. |
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